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Science and Religion Lead Us To The Same Place

Science and religion, offen at odds, seem to be leading us to some of fhe same conclusions….

Mike Bunch
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What’s something most people don’t know about you?

I believe science and religion are leading us to the same place. As someone who studies both the humanities and avidly follows scientific developments, I have found striking similiarities between the two sets of beliefs.

The science of the astronomy specifically presents us with the enigma of our existence. Where did we come from? Why are we here? The big questions that religion seeks to answer are essentially the same as science. Is there bad science and false prophets? Of course, but at their essence, they seek the same things.

Religion says we all have souls/spirits, unique energy potential, and capabilities to do great and terrible things. Many of these ancient discoveries pre-dated their scientific discoveries as measureable phenomenon, such as the discover of brain waves, EKG rythms, so on and so forth….

Scienctific discoveries seem to back manybof these discoveries especially in the quantam field. The idea that everything is vibrating, constantly in motion, interconnected in ways we can not inagine boggles the mind.

Ultimately, I think, if we make it ling enough, we will discover that both points of view were wholly correct nor incorrect, which will hopefully lay the ground for greater unity amoung our species.

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27 responses to “Science and Religion Lead Us To The Same Place”

  1. Tracy Avatar
    Tracy

    Okay, your alright with me 😇

  2. esotericmeanderings Avatar
    esotericmeanderings

    Science starts with here are the facts as we know them.
    Religion starts ‘In the beginning”
    Fair Tails start ‘Once upon a time.’
    I a fan of facts

    1. Mike Bunch Avatar
      Mike Bunch

      When I say religion perhaps I mean philosophy?

      1. esotericmeanderings Avatar
        esotericmeanderings

        Along the same lines a tall trail starts, “you aren’t going to believe this but I swear it’s true…”😳🤣

      2. Mike Bunch Avatar
        Mike Bunch

        What can we really prove is absolute?

      3. esotericmeanderings Avatar
        esotericmeanderings

        Nothing is absolute… ok maybe gravity

      4. Mike Bunch Avatar
        Mike Bunch

        Not according to Einstein lol

      5. esotericmeanderings Avatar
        esotericmeanderings

        🤣🤣🤣

      6. rebuilding rob Avatar
        rebuilding rob

        How about “the only absolute is that there are no absolutes”?

      7. Mike Bunch Avatar
        Mike Bunch

        Yep, everything we “know” or understand could very well ne a limited or wrong understanding.

      8. AaronLee Avatar
        AaronLee

        “All I know is that I know nothing”
        “Everything I say is a lie”
        “Is the answer to this question ‘no’?”

      9. Mike Bunch Avatar
        Mike Bunch

        I think the answer is…we don’t really know. We have concepts of what our existence means and the context of it, but to say we have a full grasp of any of it is profound arrogance in my view.

      10. AaronLee Avatar
        AaronLee

        These are examples of logical paradox sentences. Earlier in the thread someone had said “the only absolue is there are no absolutes” or something like that.

  3. AaronLee Avatar
    AaronLee

    Science asks how. Religion asks why. Science has no prophecies. People read prophecies out of whatever they like. The Bible warns against doing so. Any who makes a prophecy that doesn’t come true is to be put to death and not a prophet. Science can barely make a profit.
    Great post Mike. Many people these days are going backwards in their thinking. As Science answers many how questions spiritual or religious minded people are going toward panpsychism. It’s interesting but it holds as much merit as any other religious/spiritual claims.

    1. Mike Bunch Avatar
      Mike Bunch

      I can’t prove it leads to relatively the same place, but I would be surprised if it didn’t.

      1. AaronLee Avatar
        AaronLee

        There are such thing as scientists who are also religious. I’m sure if they find evidence we will hear about it. Just stay active in critical thought. Knowing evidence against your own position won’t hurt you. It will grow your understanding. There was a time I said many stupid things because of my Christian faith. Now I know why those thing were stupid to say. I listened to what is actually known and how we came to know.
        I also learned some of the dishonest practices that preachers use to keep followers in the darkness. I don’t say there is no god. I am just very skeptical of the ones I’ve been told about. Especially after learning more about who was telling me.

      2. Mike Bunch Avatar
        Mike Bunch

        I have had a similiar experience. I met a lotbof amazing people and had great experiences with my church in high school, but once I moved away, it was tough for me to continue with it, especially as I learned more about history, psycology, and the purposes of religion. To be honest, I think I was happier in my religous bubble, but it dwfibately limited me in some ways. I was given a load of the crazy creationist anti-science stuff and it unfortunetely stuck witj me through college.

      3. AaronLee Avatar
        AaronLee

        I agree. I was happy as a pig in shit when surrounded by religious families. It felt great to “know” that I already know. I wouldn’t trade the memories of fellowship, time in services, or what it felt like then. I see people who grew up never exposed to childhood indoctrination. They are so quick to critically view claims and form rebuttals.
        It took me a year maybe of learning a lot about science before it clicked. I mean the realization that the Bible has never been correct on anything. I just pulled up an email I sent 4 years ago to the director of the Phylogony Project. I reread it to make sure I didn’t embarass myself then with how much more I know now.
        I didn’t set out to learn why the Bible is false. I set out to learn what science says and what atheist believe so I could convert them to Christianity.
        When that click happened I actually felt it in my chest. I cried too.

      4. Mike Bunch Avatar
        Mike Bunch

        I wouldn’t say The Bible is completely wrong. The ten commandmemts and Jesus’s teachings were revolutuonary for the times they were created in. It still trips me out how accurate a lot of the prophicies about future knowledge or technology were. At the end of the day, it is a history book. When it is taken as more than that, it opens all sorts of doors to manipulation of believers. If appreciated for an amazing historical account lf events that are very difficult to corroborate because they happened long ago, it has tremendous value.
        My other issue with it is it has been passed down through 2000 years of history via some very corrupt institutions. What are the chances it is still in its original form? Not very good at all..

      5. AaronLee Avatar
        AaronLee

        Thinking it was revolutionary for Jesus’ teaching on morality is ignoring all the other already existing religions at that time. It would be ignoring the the predecessors of Jesus. Where the stories that make up his story originated. Saying he fulfilled prophecies, is ignoring what the prophecies meant to the people who made them. Jesus was like a square roman peg being forced into a round Jewish hole. The new testament tried to fulfill prophecies that either weren’t prophecies or were already filled in the previous religion.
        It would be unwise of anyone to say “nothing happened in that period”. The Bible doesn’t fit the criteria to be a historical document. Look up textual historical studies like Dr. Bart Ehrman does. I had to google that last name spelling and he actually has a blog (that was news to me) I have seen him in interviews on both sides. Religious people look to him for answers as well as atheist.
        2000 years being passed down is a bad arguement that is usually used against religion. Like an atheist saying the bible can’t be trusted because of translations and “game of telephone” arguments. The original sources that all translations are made from still exist and are still studied. The greek and hebrew languages they are translated from are easily translated in different ways. Like I said in a previous comment, People read prophecies out of whatever they like. Same with translations.
        We do know that the bible is 100% fiction up until around the time of King David, It is debated if a ruler was around at the time that the stories are referring to.
        King Herrod never ordered the death of all the 1st born in his land. He was a well documented ruler that did exist. If he had ordered that we would of heard about it. Romans did take a census around the time that was described in the Bible. None of the people in the lineage claiming to Jesus were on it. Also the Romans would not have fathers return to their birthplace. That defeats the purpose of a census.
        I could go on for months about inaccuracies and contradictions. Then I could start on the magic described in the new testament that was used for witch hunts, werewolves (there is a Saint of werewolves by the way), fairies, reading sign, etc etc. Things we know don’t real. I will let you take your own journey in it.
        The chances however are strong. Of course not in original written condition. They are in their original form the first bible was written from.

  4. LoveLifeHappiness&More💙💙 Avatar
    LoveLifeHappiness&More💙💙

    Thanks for sharing ☺️

  5. rebuilding rob Avatar
    rebuilding rob

    As an English teacher, I’ve taught a unit on Greek mythology for the last several years. I have to remind my students that the stories we called recommits were the religious beliefs of the ancient Greeks.

    I usually go on to say that the whole purpose of religion is to explain those things that science either cannot, or has not yet explained:

    What are we here?
    What is our purpose in life?
    What happens to us when we die?

    They are all usually able to agree on that, regardless of their religious beliefs, or lack there of.

  6. mosrubn Avatar
    mosrubn

    Incidentally I did listen on radio to a Christian scientist this morning who said, like many of his colleagues have done, that science and religion need not disagree, for both are engaged in mystery. And he went on to say that one runs into trouble when they begin to think that they understand it all.
    Well, it doesn’t matter what other people here might think or say, I still believe in the mystery office, “In the beginning…” 1 John 5:13 says, “I have written this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know you have eternal life.”
    If you will check out this “The Great Mystery | Eph 3:1-6 | RayStedman.org” https://www.raystedman.org/new-testament/ephesians/the-great-mystery
    Thanks for sharing.

    1. Mike Bunch Avatar
      Mike Bunch

      The scriptures speak of so many scientific discoveries made thousands of years later. That is one of the things that I thiinkof as evidence for science and religion leading the same place.

  7. natural photography Avatar
    natural photography

    Thank you this location is very awesome

  8. Peter Avatar
    Peter

    I have just created an entirely new introduction to my blog, and then saw this.
    Here is a link to an introduction to what I now see as one of the foundations of my thinking.https://outsidethegoldfishbowl.wordpress.com/a-unitive-narrative/
    Any thoughts?

    1. Mike Bunch Avatar
      Mike Bunch

      You make the point very well. I think essentially we are saying similiar things, just in different ways.

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